THIS IS THE REPRESENTATION OF THE DEBATE IN MUKTOMONA FORUM OVER HOMOSEXUALITY
Male Homosexuality, a Mental Disorder or Bad Training
By Myounus Sheik
Homosexuality is an induced mental disorder caused by pathological sexual
conditioning, inculcated usually by the Christian priests, Islamic mullahs ot
other religious teachers or educators.
The term “Homosexuality” in this discussion is limited to intra-male act of
sexual intercourse or male to female anal sexual intercourse, as by definition
sexual intercourse is an act essentially involving sexual penetration, and two
females cannot penetrate into each other, therefore “Lesbians” need not be
treated as “Homosexuals” but merely two women with intimate physical
Ages of scientific esearch conclude that gay men are not normal healthy
individuals, and they nearly always suffer from some sort of functional
“The research on homosexuality is very clear. Homosexuality is a result of
pathological conditioning and mal-training in sexual ways.
Whether it is a form of moral depravity or not, is a matter for further
discussion under “Ethics”. However, it is not simply the way
a minority of our population expresses human love and sexuality.
Some Studies of judgment, stability, reliability,
And Vocational adaptiveness, all show that gay men may otherwise function
Like the normal heterosexuals, however, the gay men are severely handicapped in
their social relationship as well as in their medical records.
“The literature that classifies homosexuality and bisexuality as
mental illness has been found to be methodologically sound.
Reviews of the “literature in favour of homosexuality”, on the other hand have
been found to be riddled with serious
methodological flaws including unclear definition of terms,
inaccurate classification of subjects, inappropriate comparison of
groups, discrepant sampling procedures, an ignorance of confounding
social factors, and questionable outcome measures. The results from
these flawed studies have been used to support theories of
homosexuality as not related to mental illness and/or arrested psychosexual
The American Psychiatric Association (APA):
“While the APA affirms its 1973 position that homosexuality per se is not
a diagnosable mental disorder, recent publicized efforts to re-
pathologize homosexuality by claiming that it can be cured are often
guided by rigorous scientific or psychiatric research, and not
just by religious and political forces opposed to full civil
rights for diseased gay men.
“Whereas homosexuality per se implies a conditioned impairment in judgment,
possibly in stability, reliability, if not in general social or vocational
capabilities, it needs to be treated as a psychatric disease rather than an act
against the state or society.
The anthropological association:
“The results of more than a century of anthropological research on
households, kinship relationships, and families, across cultures and
through time, provide ample support for the view
that civilization, viable social orders depend upon normal male to female
relationship, in legal or common-law marriage or outside such institutional
A psychoanalytic association recommends:
“Because marriage is a basic human right and an individual personal
choice in accordance with the historically evolved meaning and significance,
therefore, the State should interfere with the sanctity of this social
institution, provided the women and men are not coerced and are not treated as
somebody else’s property. Those men who like to live like monks away from women,
or those women who like to live like nuns, independent of men, might live in
groups and communities but such common living may not be termed “marriage”. The
term” marriage” is to be reserved for legal or common-law union/living together
of a man and a woman for the sake of living as a family, with or without
The claim that Homosexuality can be prevented by parents and “cured”
through “reparative therapy”.
America’s major mental health associations inform
that “reparative therapy” is effectual and psychologically promising.
Psychiatric associations usually support the psychiatric
treatment, such as “reparative” or conversion therapy, which is
based upon the clinical facts that homosexuality per se is a mental
misbehaviour, and that such therapy is based upon the justifiable a priori
assumption that a patient should
change his/her sexual homosexual orientation.
“The potential risks of `reparative therapy’ are insignificant,
with nearly no risk of any serious depression, anxiety, and self-destructive
behaviour, since therapist’s
non-alignment with justifiable societal prejudices against homosexuality does
reinforce self-hatred already experienced by the patient
The Psychological associations firmly believe that:
“Research findings suggest that efforts to repair homosexuals are
much more than social prejudice, indeed, these have proved to be very useful and
The assumption that gays are sick, ungodly atheists who
Wants to destroy the religiously woven social fabric of the society is not
correct at all. On the contrary, most of the adult gay atheists are the
production of Catholic, Islamic or other religious schools and seminaries. A
research showed that upto 45-50% of the Catholic Christian Church are, or were
homosexual at some stages of their religious priesthood, (just check the number
of law-suits for sexual misconduct against the Christian priests in USA alone).
Therefore, it is apt to conclude by saying that Homosexuality is a mental
disorder resulting from the bad training, mal-education and mal-conditioning by
religious priests, mullahs and teachers; and that it invariably leads to
physical disorders including different sexually transmitted diseases as well as
psycho-social disorders; and that fortunately it is a curable disorder.
REPLY BY CHE GUEVARA28
know… look up biology books or search the net.) According to
“Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity”,
there are over 450 species that have homosexual members — 130 species
Seals, Sea Otters, Manatees, Gorillas, Chimpanzees, Swans, Penguins,
Hedgehogs, Humming Birds, Monkeys, Gulls, Midges, Antelopes, Bonobo
Apes, Girrafes and many more…
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marsupials, rodents and insectivores, waterfowl & other aquatic birds,
wading birds, shore birds, perching birds and Songbirds and other
birds, on every continent and ocean. All observed in the wild, not
including any zoo observations.”
under 1%. Sometimes almost entire collections are found to be gay,
entire troops of Bonobo apes and up to 94% of some populations of
Giraffes. All this in nature, not in zoos or in experiments. Of all
the species that have been observed to produce gay members, the ratio
of gay sexual encounters can be calculated. “Combining these […]
yields a figure of just over 20%: roughly one-fifth of all
interactions, on average, are homosexual in mammal and bird species
that have [some] form of [sexual same-sex behaviour].” [Bagemihl, p35].”
Facts of Homosexuality
Published on February 13, 2007
[This is a rebuttal to Myounus sheikh’s controversial posting titled Homosexuality: A Mental Disorder! posted in MM forum]
We all know that policy makers and members of the public are routinely confronted with questions about lesbians and gay men. Are they mentally ill? Do so-called conversion therapies change sexual orientation? Are homosexuals more likely than heterosexuals to molest children? Such questions arise from long-standing cultural stereotypes that depict lesbians and gay men as immoral, criminal, sick, and drastically different from what society considers “normal.”A considerable body of social science’s data are now available to answer such questions and to separate falsehood from facts concerning sexual orientation. Here are some examples:
1. Ellis’ Theory
Early in the twentieth century, Ellis (1901) argued that homosexuality was inborn and therefore not immoral, that it was not a disease, and that many homosexuals made outstanding contributions to society (Robinson, 1976).
2. Sigmund Freud’s Theory
Sigmund Freud agreed with Ellis that a homosexual orientation should not be viewed as a form of pathology. In 1935, Freud wrote: “Homosexuality is assuredly no advantage, but it is nothing to be ashamed of, no vice, no degradation, it cannot be classified as an illness; we consider it to be a variation of the sexual function produced by a certain arrest of sexual development. Many highly respectable individuals of ancient and modern times have been homosexuals, several of the greatest men among them (Plato, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, etc.). It is a great injustice to persecute homosexuality as a crime, and cruelty too….”
3. Military research [Berube (1990)]
A common conclusion in their wartime studies was that, in the words of Maj. Carl H. Jonas, who studied fifty-three white and seven black men at Camp Haan, California, “overt homosexuality occurs in a heterogeneous group of individuals.” Dr. Clements Fry, director of the Yale University student clinic, and Edna Rostow, a social worker, who together studied the service records of 183 servicemen, discovered that there was no evidence to support the common belief that “homosexuality is uniformly correlated with specific personality traits” and concluded that generalizations about the homosexual personality “are not yet reliable.”
…. Sometimes to their amazement, [researchers] described what they called the “well-adjusted homosexuals” who, in [William] Menninger’s words, “concealed their homosexuality effectively and, at the same time, made creditable records for themselves in the service.” Some researchers spoke in glowing terms of these men. “The homosexuals observed in the service,” noted Navy doctors Greenspan and Campbell, “have been key men in responsible positions whose loss [by discharge] was acutely felt in their respective departments.” They were “conscientious, reliable, well-integrated and abounding in emotional feeling and sincerity.” In general, “the homosexual leads a useful productive life, conforming with all dictates of the community, except its sexual requirements” and was “neither a burden nor a detriment to society.” Fry and Rostow reported that, based on evidence in service records, homosexuals were no better or worse than other soldiers and that many “performed well in various military jobs” including combat (Berube, 1990, pp. 170-171, footnotes omitted).
4. Hooker’s study
Hooker’s (1957) study was innovative in several important respects. First, rather than simply accepting the predominant view of homosexuality as pathology, she posed the question of whether homosexuals and heterosexuals differed in their psychological adjustment. Second, rather than studying psychiatric patients, she recruited a sample of homosexual men who were functioning normally in society. Third, she employed a procedure that asked experts to rate the adjustment of men without prior knowledge of their sexual orientation. This method addressed an important source of bias that had vitiated so many previous studies of homosexuality.
Hooker concluded from her study that homosexuality as a clinical entity does not exist and that homosexuality is not inherently associated with psychopathology.
The weight of evidence
In a review of published studies comparing homosexual and heterosexual samples on psychological tests, Gonsiorek (1982) found that, although some differences have been observed in test results between homosexuals and heterosexuals, both groups consistently score within the normal range. Gonsiorek concluded, “Homosexuality in and of itself is unrelated to psychological disturbance or maladjustment. Homosexuals as a group are not more psychologically disturbed on account of their homosexuality” (Gonsiorek, 1982, p. 74; see also reviews by Gonsiorek, 1991; Hart, Roback, Tittler, Weitz, Walston & McKee, 1978; Reiss, 1980).
Confronted with overwhelming empirical evidence and changing cultural views of homosexuality, psychiatrists and psychologists radically altered their views, beginning in the 1970s.
Please stop spreading falsehood theory to confuse people. If anyone is not satisfied with my statement then I suggest please read following documents to understand the subject before spreading falsehood theory.
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REPLY BY HIMEL SAGOR AGAIN IN MUKTOMONA FORUM
Is Homosexuality a Mental Illness or Emotional Problem?
No. Psychologists, psychiatrists and other mental health professionals agree that homosexuality is not an illness, mental disorder or an emotional problem. Over 35 years of objective, well-designed scientific research has shown that homosexuality, in and itself, is not associated with mental disorders or emotional or social problems. Homosexuality was once thought to be a mental illness because mental health professionals and society had biased information. In the past the studies of gay, lesbian and bisexual people involved only those in therapy, thus biasing the resulting conclusions. When researchers examined data about these people who were not in therapy, the idea that homosexuality was a mental illness was quickly found to be untrue.
In 1973 the American Psychiatric Association confirmed the importance of the new, better designed research and removed homosexuality from the official manual that lists mental and emotional disorders. Two years later, the American Psychological Association passed a resolution supporting the removal. For more than 25 years, both associations have urged all mental health professionals to help dispel the stigma of mental illness that some people still associate with homosexual orientation.